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and here we have another one brewing regarding the debt ceiling. let's get rid of it. i'm all for smaller government, but this economy right now, guys, still remains fragile and you can't have the american consumer having to worry about going through all the rigamarole in washington all over again, and that hits consumer reading and we don't need that right now. i'm all for smaller government, but let's get rid testi of it and be done with it. >> brenda: the fear is that we might get our credit rating downgraded and that's part of the debate and worry about the debt ceiling. >> that's ultimately worse than raising the debt ceiling is having default or crisis. the government gets their debt rating lowered again to the point they can't get lower rates, that means the mortgages rates and housing is coming back. it would be great to control the debt with the debt ceiling. as you see through history, examples given it doesn't work at all. it becomes a political football, the other party not it in power, decides it's an of important thing. and president obama used to hate the debt ceilings. it'
in exchange. >> that's a warning shot from president obama on the debt ceiling deadline, making it clear he's not going to negotiate with the gop insisting on using it, but the president facing a gop unwilling to negotiate with him. a in lawmakers is newly elected congressman ted yoho, a tea party backed conservative. great to have you here. we appreciate your time. congratulations, as you were just recently sworn in. you have made a real name for yourself so far by saying that you really want to make john boehner accountable for what he's doing there on the hill. our first team is reporting that the chief goal of obama's press conference was to -- for raising or not raising the debt ceiling. then this morning former house speaker newt gingrich weighed in saying the gop congress is coming out a loser. >> it's a threat they can't sustain. no one is going to default. no one is going to allow the united states to not pay its bills. no one is going to accept the economic costs. it rallies the entire business community to the president's side. i don't think we should pick fights where we are in
tough ahead of the next big fight with congress over the debt ceiling. >>> the president said vice president biden has presented him with a list of common sense steps to prevent gun violence. but the biggest question is how much of it the administration can actually get passed through the congress. >>> and watching last night's golden globes, one thing was clear to me, america once again feels good about itself. we've got a new sense of optimism, and the movies show it. >>> the latest attack on science by a republican member of the house science committee. what a strange name for that crowd. that's in the "sideshow" tonight. and this is "hardball," the place for politics. zzzquil™ sleep-aid. it's not for colds. it's not for pain. it's just for sleep. because sleep is a beautiful thing™. ♪ zzzquil™. the non-habit forming sleep-aid from the makers of nyquil®. nothing. are you stealing our daughter's school supplies and taking them to work? no, i was just looking for my stapler and my... this thing. i save money by using fedex ground and buy my own supplies. that's a great id
by what our government does in the weeks and months ahead. okay. quick question about the debt ceiling. these talking points, that the right have, about the "heavy hand of government" ... i want to have that conversation. let's talk about it. really? you're going to lay people off because now the government is going to help you fund your healthcare. really? i want to have those conversations, not to be confrontational, but to understand what the other side is saying, and i'd like to arm our viewers with the ability to argue with their conservative uncle joe over the dinner table. ♪ ♪ the trucks are going farther. the 2013 ram 1500 with best-in-class fuel economy. engineered to move heaven and earth. guts. glory. ram. the new ram 1500. motor trend's 2013 truck of the year. [ voice of dennis ] allstate. with accident forgiveness, they guarantee your rates won't go up just because of an accident. smart kid. [ voice of dennis ] indeed. are you in good hands? >> john: before we could even shake off our collective fiscal cliff fatigue it's now back to the doldrum
obama on the debt ceiling said he will not negotiate while republicans "hold a gun to the head of the american people." this is "special report." ♪ ♪ >> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. president obama declares the health of the american people is not a bargaining chip. the president warns against the prospect of what he called republicans holding the economy hostage. over the debt ceiling. it was the primary focus of the last news conference of his first term. we have fox team coverage. seep your political analyst brit hume will have analysis of that event. correspondent shannon bream tells us about another big topic today. gun control. we begin with white house correspondent wendell goler on the partisan tone over the debt. good evening, wendell. >> good evening. >> bret: the party that doesn't control the white house is rarely happy about raising the debt ceiling. >> reporter: recent years a genuine threat not to do so. >> raising the nation's debt ceiling, the president told reporters is a necessity caused by spending in the past. not something to trade with congress
in the final news conference of the first term, the president took questions on the debt ceiling and the gun debate. first, on the rising debt ceiling, the president took direct aim at republicans accusing them of using the nation's credit rating as a, quote, bargaining chip. >> the republicans in congress had two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect our ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the issue here is whether or not america pays its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> and the debate over guns, one month after 26 children and adults were killed in newtown, and with the nra saying assault weapon ban would not pass congress, the president urged house members to, quote, examine their own conscience. >> the belief that we have to have stronger background checks, that we can do a much better job in terms of keeping these magazine clips with high capacity out of the hands of folks who shouldn't have them, an assault weapons ban that's mea
on the debt ceiling. the president tells them if they ever agree on what to put in the ranson note, he wouldn't even read it. >> president obama used the final press conference of the first time. >> the last press conference in the first term. >> to draw the line on the debt compromises. >> raising the ceiling doesn't authorize more spending. >> the president clearly came out putting it on the republicans. >> republicans in congress have two choices here, they can act responsibly. >> this is such a recipe for disaster for the republican party. >> or they can act irresponsibly, they better choose quickly. >> frankly all republicans have to bargain with. >> yes, they are, yes, they are. >> they're holding us hostage. >> are we heading to a shutdown. >> this could be a financial disaster. not only for our country, but for the world. >> social security checks and veteran's benefits will be delayed. >> i don't think it is a question that is even on the table. >> ironically would probably increase our deficit. it is absurd. >> the president won't back down on the debt ceiling or on gun safety. >> t
a press conference today. he wanted to talk about the debt ceiling and about the gun control a little bit. he has positive words that are encouraging for those of us who believe he should fight harder. let's listen. >> obama: i want to be clear about this. the debt cereal something not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. the issue here is whether or not america pays it's bills. we are not a debt-deep nation. >> cenk: i like it. now normally i say it should have been stronger, but it was pretty strong and he made his point very good. it continues. >> obama: this is not an implicatedcomplicateed subject. you don't go out to dinner, eat all your want, and then leave without paying the check. if you do, you're breaking the law. and congress should think about it the same way that the american people do. >> cenk: i like it, man. i do. that's exactly right analogy. you know, of course, i'd go further, but i would every time, right? i'd say list
republicans not to play politics with the debt ceiling. here is some of what he had to say. >> raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time, social security checks and veterans' benefits will be delayed. we might not be able to pay our troops our honor our contracts with small business owners. markets could go haywire, interest rates would spike for anybody who borrows money, every home own we are a mortgage. it would be a self-inflicted wound on the economy. so to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills, is irresponsible. it's absurd. >> well, the president hass got to get past the debt ceiling in order to achieve his second term agenda but how does he do it when some republicans are threatening shutdown. chuck todd and howard fineman. chuck, you know, i get the sense i was listening to the late general schwarzkopf, the man shaping the battlefield. he's basically
a mistake by trying to link the debt ceiling to a deal on spending cuts. >> in the end, it's a threat they can't sustain. no one is going to default. no one is going to allow united states to not pay its bills. no one is going to accept the economic costs. it rallies the entire business community to the president's side. i don't think we should pick fights where we're in a position that we can't, in fact, in the end enforce our will. because we have no evidence of president obama's going to compromise. i think the president is deliberately seeking confrontation. he's going out of his way to bully the house republicans. >> and allen simpson, the co-founder of the campaign to fix the debt, also warning against bargaining over the debt ceiling. >> do you believe the gop should be using the debt ceiling as a leverage point to get the president to agree to the cuts? >> i think that would be a grave mistake. i don't think that would solve anything. i know they're going to try it. how far we'll go, i have no idea. if you're a real conservative, really honest conservative without hypocrisy, y
's going to start off talking about the debt ceiling. he'll call for republicans to raise it without a fight. but several gop members have already said the debt ceiling is going to be where they draw a line in the sand. >>> check out the first page of politico this morning. double trouble. house gop, eyes default, shutdown. and it talks about the very real possibility that house republican members want to see the government shut down or default if they don't get the cuts they want. >>> let me bring in "times" deputy bureau chief ed o'keefe. good morning to both of you. this is all just breaking now, but the president has said and he said it consistently. he's not negotiating over the debt ceiling. michael, is this more of what we're going to hear from him today? is he going to lay the groundwork for the battle ahead? >> i think so. to some degree i think what's happening is a game of chicken unfortunately. i know the financial markets hate it. and it kind of turns your stomach a little bit. but obama has said we're absolutely not negotiating over the weekend a significant event when
, there is a debt ceiling vote. now you hear a lot of republicans making noises about backing down from the debt ceiling fight. it is interesting by the way, i know we're not here to talk about that. it is interesting how the conventional wisdom has shifted on that. >> jennifer: quickly too. >> so quickly. just another sign of the shifting sands. it all hinges on how public opinion turns. and you know, is the president going to go out on the stump? is he going to go out and barnstorm the country for his proposals? how much political capital is he going to put into it? if he really builds up public support for the proposals and public support grows and if they feel pressure, he'll bring a vote. >> >> jennifer: just to take you back to that -- not the fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling issue that the republicans do seem to be going soft on, i do think one of the reasons why they went so soft is because major traditionally republican lobbying groups were advocating like the chamber of commerce came out strongly saying this is crazy. i'm wondering if there are other traditionally republican groups like
is regarding the debt ceiling why doesn't the president go ahead and implement article 14 of the constitution, and if the republicans want to take this to court, let's go. let's have this conversation. let's explain to the american people why you racked up two wars unpaid for, tax breaks for rich people unpaid for, but you don't want to pay the bills. >> stephanie: exactly. i'm not sure what the white house is -- even on guns -- even any kind of mention of what the president might do on guns they are already talking about impeachment. that's the times we're in. twenty nine minutes after the hour. right back on the "stephanie miller show." ♪ show, to be able to come away armed with the facts, and the arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to have the data and i want them to have the passion. but it's also about telling them, you're put on this planet for something more. i want this show to have an impact beyond just informing. an impact that gets people to take action themselves. as a human being, that's really important. this is not j
the power to ignore the debt ceiling. >> shannon: all right sm. democrats are pointing to a section that reads that the validity of the public debt of the united states should not be questioned. they say, based on that, they would support president obama, in raising the debt ceiling without congressional approval. joining me now to talk about that and many other thicks, former mississippi governor, republican, haley barbour. thank you for coming in. >> i hope the president doesn't try to do that. to try to take away from the congress the power that the constitution directly gives the congress. that is the power to -- to spend, the power to control the debt. i know that the treasury department has announced they are not going to do it. i hope they stick to that decision because this is -- we should never have a situation where one person-- the president -- can put our country deeper, deeper, deeper in debt. we are doing a bad job of that now. it would be really bad if it was not -- if the congress let their control go. >> shannon: you saw the white house press secretary says it is no
and the national debt. the president wants to raise the debt ceiling for the 5th time in his administration but he doesn't want to commit to many spending limitations in the future. the house could possibly not give the president the power to raise the debt ceiling in february. >> republicans in congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills or they can act ir responsibly and put america through another economic crisis. >> so you can see what the president is doing. he wants americans to believe the gop is the problem not massive spending. likewise on the gun control issue. the president wants it to come to a head to highlight republican opposition to limiting guns and ammunition. joining us now from washington fox news political analyst brit hume. seems to me presidethe presiden playing politics rather than problem solving. >> i think you have a point he would like to get republicans into it. i would put it a different way in the sense that i think he would be perfectly happy to get the gun control measure that he favors whatever they turn out to be when the reco
the debt ceiling. and in the rewrite tonight, the idiotic things republicans are saying about guns, and why president reagan and president george w. bush would disagree with them. nothing. are you stealing our daughter's school supplies and taking them to work? no, i was just looking for my stapler and my... this thing. i save money by using fedex ground and buy my own supplies. that's a great idea. i'm going to go... we got clients in today. [ male announcer ] save on ground shipping at fedex office. omnipotent of opportunity. you know how to mix business... with business. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle. and go. you can even take a full-size or above. and still pay the mid-size price. i could get used to this. [ male announcer ] yes, you could business pro. yes, you could. go national. go like a pro. kozachik, k >>> a quick update, joy reid and karen finney apparently didn't change the minds of the nra in the first segment, the ad regarding president obama has not been taken down. the ad has been making the website crash and sometim
voting for the debt ceiling when there is a republican president. but you never saw a situation in which democrats suggested somehow that we would go head and default if we didn't get 100% of our way that. is not how it's supposed to work. >> sean: i can't help but you remind that had obama in 2006 was a junior senator from illinois who opposed raising debt ceiling that. is right. barack obama scolding republicans for linking p spending cuts to raising debt ceiling himself voted against raising the debt ceiling. here is what the anointed one said in 2006, said leadership means the buck stops here, washington is shifting burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and our grandchildren. er america has a debt, and a failure of leadership. americans deserve better, i, therefore, intend to oppose the efforts to increase american's debt limit so he is doing what he said shouldn't be done. but in doing so is demonstrating his morale superiority. the second thing we saw today is on full display he said republicans were sus spishus about social security and government support for
to fight over. is it debt ceiling, is it sequestration, is it the resolution later in march? they could use that bell to call them to order there but it's hard to think that they could find a path. you've got on the one hand, a lot of distension in the rarngs there. but, also, just public opinion seems to be stacked against them. they're on the wrong side of so many issues. they seem to be wanting to plot a course right in the near term. but i think on the other hand, if you look at what democrats are doing, they're trying to chart a course that looks more like where america is more broadly. of course it would put them in good standing for 2014 and 2016. >> now, wes, when we look at the fact that they seem to be further and further away. committee reports that many republicans scoff at the idea of a debt ceiling disaster. and it reads, let me read this to you, to these conservatives, hitting the debt ceiling is no armageddon and the idea of default is just a scare tactic. and they claim not to be frightened. i mean, we could have different opinions, but we can't have different facts. the de
. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 >> $64 trillion and counting. the nation's debt ceiling. to cut to red, my next guest advocates more green when it comes to health care. the called the health reduction. she said there would be a method. explain. >> well, actually, the public option would decrease the deficit by about $104 billion over ten years. >> how too you know that? >> that's the congressional budget office estimate. of what it would do. this is not numbers i made up. because it would inn fact lower the -- provide an option -- this would be completely by choice -- for people who don't want to pick this public option, among the private sector choices within a health exchange, and rates for premiums are estimated to be about 5 to 7% lower, meaning those people in the exchange that needed a subsidy would take fewer tax dollars and it is also estimated that it would serve as an anchor, because there's competition, to bring down the cost of health care, even in the private sector as well. >> when is the government -- when is the government ever done that? with george bush's plan, you were critic
of the neighbors, cooler heads will prevail now between now and the time we deal with the debt ceiling and we may meet the goal which we set out to do, which is to have roughly a $4 trillion cut over 10 years in the long-term deficit and to put us on that path. but i didn't come here to talk about any of those important subjects today, because as important as they allr today we have a more urgent and immediate call and that is how to deal with the epidemic of gun violence in america. you all know the statistics better than anyone so i'm not going to repeat them. on that score, i owe an incredible debt of gratitude to you at the head table and those of you in the room. i know we don't have you nan hit in this ballroom nor do we in any ballroom, but we all acknowledge that we have to do something. we have to act. and i hope we all agree, there is a need to respond to the carnage on our streets and in our schools. i hope we all agree that mass shootings like the one we witnessed in newtown 34 days ago cannot be continued to be tolerated. that tragedy has affected the public in a way i have never see
bypassing the debt ceiling -- on congress's behalf. >> democrats are urging the president to use executive order to say congress, i don't node to you raise the debt ceiling, i am going to do it on my own. i want everybody to know,utive order -- high is not the first president and won't be the last to use executive order. frankslinrosis velt passed 37 executive orders and clinton and reagan did 350-plus. i am talking about policy issues of significant magnitude that need to have a full public vetting. the american people need tock engaged in the process. we need hearing on the matter ogun control, specifically. and we really need to talk about mental health and how we as a society are not embracing people with mental health issues. that's a bigger conversation, i know, neil. >> neil: thank you for indulging all of this breaking news and being on top of it. we told you about the mulvaney amendment, matching dollar for dollar, any aide they are getting in like-minded cuts from discretionary spending. that was defeated, as expected on the flor of the house. to missouri running senator roy blun
to ditch the debt ceiling all together. is it as silly as he says it is? we'll debate that. more "money" ahead officemax has exactly the ink... your business needs... at prices that keep you...out of the red. this week get a bonus $15 itunes gift card with any qualifying $75 ink purchase. find thousands of big deals now... at officemax. ♪ music kids will spend 15 minutes watching online videos like this one. brushing for two minutes now, can save your child from severe tooth pain later. two minutes twice a day. they have the time. ♪ . melissa: so moving onto another budget fight and accusations that republicans will hold the debt ceiling hostage over spending cuts, federal reserve chairman ben bernanke said there is no practical purpose to the debt ceiling and it is a device to prevent the u.s. from paying its bills. why are we watching washington fight over it? maybe we should get rid of it. here is susan occhs, american banker columnist and former senior advisor to president obama and stephen hayes, "weekly standard" and fox news contributor. i will ask you both and, susan, start
side of this break. like ben bernanke saying time to ditch the debt ceiling all together. is it as silly as he says it is? we'll debate that. more "money" ahead what are you doing? nothing. are you stealing our daughter's school supplies and taking them to work? no, i was just looking for my stapler and my... this thing. i save money by using fedex ground and buy my own supplies. that's a great idea. i'm going to go... we got clients in today. [ male announcer ] save on ground shipping at fedex office. [ male announcer ] how do you turn an entrepreneur's dream... ♪ into a scooter that talks to the cloud? ♪ or turn 30-million artifacts... ♪ into a high-tech masterpiece? ♪ whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. ♪ . melissa: so moving onto another budget fight and accusations that republicans will hold the debt ceiling hostage over spending cuts, federal reserve chairman ben bernanke said there is no practical purpose to the debt ceiling and it is a device to prevent the u.s. from paying its bills. why are we wa
-term debt ceiling extension. is it too short? does this get us past the hump? >> well, you know, look, this is an attempt by republicans to acknowledge that in a way president obama has won on the i won't negotiate. >> it's not ending the problem, but it is an acknowledgment by house republicans that having that fight right now is not one that is politically advantageous for them, and not advantageous for the country. it does not mean, however -- obviously, it does not mean that we may not have down the road in three months time, and now kind of mid to late spring, we may not have the fight we are expecting to have next month. >> only 44% disapproval rating for the president. that's a pretty good head of steam going in. real concerns about whether the president and congress can do mying about the economy, which is job one. >> the vast majority say it's in the wrong direction. there is a pessimism, is the best word i can use, about the deposit's willingness and i think even more worrisome ability to fix the problem. >> there is a decline in confidence. there is a broader trend, but it'
fighting and hammer out a strategy to deal with the looming debt ceiling. melissa: chaos in algeria, the fate of dozens of hostages is unknown. some reportedly have escaped. fox news middle east analyst and lou dobbs will weigh in. first, time for stocks, let's check with the floor the new york stock exchange, nicole petallides is standing by. the dow just awful session highs, but not having a bad day. nicole: not bad at all. up about 90 points off of the highs of the day. was yesterday a fluke? we had five days of gains, gave back a little bit yesterday and back in the green again. look at the nasdaq up more than half a percent. the s&p 500, gains across the board. economic news for labour numbers and those were good, housing starts have been on the move as well, that was well above expectations. let's take a look at some of the homebuilders in particular, which have had a great run recently. tilden permits at multiyear highs. ben willis yesterday talking about optimism. there is a look at lennar. to give an idea of how well the homebuilders have run up, to put together a chart wit
more people care about that issue than the debt ceiling. >> bill: they get too full of themselves. the problem with the front row particularly the press corps is they represent different networks. they all want to talk about let's say, for example guns. they all want to be on camera asking the question about guns and it doesn't matter if somebody else has already asked the question five different times in five different ways, they're still going to ask it so they can get on camera. that's what's wrong with the press briefings. >> thank you very much for your tweet. >> if you go to the newseum web site and you look at what the country is talking about it is a rich quilt of different issues, different ideas that people around this country are discussing. and the washington press corps questions of one or two topics doesn't even big to cover -- begin to cover what reporters around this country are reporting on, talking about. that disconnect is really jarring, i think. >> bill: it is jarring. i remember as a reporter in los angeles and a comment tater in los angeles, covering preside
that is a laggard. hewlett-packard, american express, a few of the names coming under the pressure. the debt ceiling remains in focus. it is earning season. let's take a look at facebook. it is up about three quarters of 1%. it certainly has gained over the last half hour. we are getting closer and closer to the launch time. come and see what we are building. there is speculation that remains. the anticipation remains. dagen: trying to strategize on how to rein in government spending. connell: rich edson with all the details. rich: a very busy legislative day. they are dealing with this handy appropriation bill. republicans are discussing a number of different options. there is a major house republicans of that. their annual retreat takes place on wednesday. >> when does this budget balance? here is when the budget gets to balance if we adhere to these cuts. rich: republicans trying to figure out their opening position on the debt ceiling. democrats and the white house have already come out with theirs. president obama saying that he is not negotiating it. he says he is willing to talk about deficit
nothing and there are also no meetings even planned regarding the debt ceiling and the inevitable issue that is are faced by those who need to make the decisions for us. >> yeah. we have got this triple deadline coming up. and nobody -- everybody says they don't want to do it at the last minute the way we did with the fiscal cliff but nobody seems to be talking about it yet. you don't have negotiations started. granted we are in a bit of a holding pattern with the inauguration coming up and maybe things start to happen after that but nobody seems to be jumping in proactively for a solution to these issues that are coming up and that's because they're tough decisions. they're hard. and nobody has something that is universally palatable ready to off offer. >> with that said, will we see a separation of spending cuts the republicans say they want to desperately and separate it from the debt ceiling? as the president said, you can't run out on a meal you have eaten. this is not new debt. this is bills we have acquired. the government and this country must be obligated to do the same. >> wel
tax-funded bailouts. period. >> years of spending under both parties add up and the debt ceiling talks of 2011 led to a budget attend off between democrats and republicans who took back control of the house of representatives in the midterms. >> is there a risk the united states could lose their aaa rating? yes-or-no. >> no risk. >> the debt ceiling was raised in august the political fight in the spot lighted on the deficit and debt problems less s&p to downgrade the u.s. credit rating for the first time in history. >> geithner steered the major economic moves in the first term and now he is stepping down. president obama's pick to replace him is jack lew, who has established a close relationship with the president. lew is not is chummy with republicans on the hill after the debt ceiling negotiation back in 2011. for that reason and others, his confirmation hearing could be bumpy. if confirmed, he will be dealing with the top issue in this second term, how to get the economy moving and addressing the country's long term fiscal problems. >> this is a president that is forced to grapple
the republics on the issue of the debt ceiling and they have to not play around with the debt ceiling powell is a sophisticated player. i don't think he does anything without thinking it through quite well. that's why i said what i said i want to make sure we have your allegations on the record. i don't want to put words in your mouth. >> it's a supposition. >> bill: you say that you think that collin powell was asked by someone to go out and defend chuck hagel's nomination. and at the same time, raise the spector that some people are owe posing the president's policies because he is black. that that was to put in one interview in one presentation. that's what you think may have happened? it might have happened. implication of what he said really is quite inprogram inflay to say least. it's in line with what liberal commentators have said for some time. every time you criticize barack obama there will be someone out there in the blogosphere or television or radio saying well you just like the fact that a black man is in power. it's ridiculous. if you want to look at intolerance and collin po
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the freshman republicans who told john boehner that he would not be voting for the debt ceiling proposal. that was from the last time the house republicans threatened the country with defaulting on our debt back in 2011. dennis ross, you probably should have calibrated your place in line a little better. throw a democrat in there ahead of you when you realize that's what you're going to get. get there in time for the repeal prohibition amendment next time. that's more fun. if you have found yourself at home constitutionally -- forgive me, constitutionally incapable of getting excited over having another fight about the debt ceiling this year, if this isn't exciting because it just feels like groundhog day to you, oh my god, i've got reckless brinksmanship fatigue, it is true that it's hard to get excited over something we have done before. it is 2013 now. remember when it happened it was a total disaster. even if you just ignore the political consequences, if you just look at the economic impact, it was a self-imposed economic disaster caused by washington refusing to do something that i
between now and the time we deal with the debt ceiling, that we may very well be able to meet the goal which we set out to do, which is to have roughly a $4 trillion cut over ten years, and in the long-term deficit and put us on that path. but i didn't come here to talk about any of those important subjects today because, as important as they all are, today we have a more urgent and immediate call, and that is how to deal with the epidemic of gun violence in america. you all know the statistics very well so i'm not going to repeat them. on that score, i might add, oui an incredible debt of gratitude to many of you at the head table as well as those of you in the room. i know we don't have absolutely unanimity in this ballroom, nor do we in anyway ballroom, but we all know, everyone acknowledges, we have to do something. we have to act. i hope we're all agreed that there's a need to respond to the carnage on our streets and in our schools. i hope we all agree that mass shootings like the ones we witnessed in newton 34 days ago, cannot continue to be tolerated. that tragedy in all my yea
past the fiscal cliff. now we are going to hit the debt ceiling debasement now it appears house g.o.p. members are putting forth this idea. maybe a bit of an olive branch saying three month extension in the debt ceiling would enable them to come to some sort of a deal not without caveats on spending. turk turk tied to. the budget. the senate hasn't in three years. unless the senate comes up with a budget by april 15th. no more pay for members of congress. which might be a stimulus of its own kind. >> alisyn: there is a new fox news poll about how americans are feeling about this. all of our budget battles. here is the question we asked. is government spending being managed carefully or out of control? not surprisingly now 83% of you say that it is out of control verses just 11% who say it's managed carefully and those numbers have become more extreme in the past two and three years. >> here is another big question we asked you fox news poll should the debt limit be raised again? of course it's been raised every year. the majority of you said only after major cuts are put in place.
economy hostage. if the house can pass a clean debt ceiling increase and meeting the existing obligations we will be happy to consider it. here we are as i said three days before inauguration and it looks like another fight that the republicans are not prepared to it seems to follow through on despite the threats. >> zachary and i were having a conversation in the green room and i said i don't understand the meaning of a second inauguration for the president. i get it now. the reason we need another inauguration is apparently one party doesn't understand we had an election in november and they lost. which means that you move on and you let the president be the president of the united states. these guys still want to fight the old battles of 2012. >> but they're giving this extension now. >> a three-month extension. the white house should tell them to go shove it. you can't run a government three months at a time. you have to have a long-term planning. bad for the markets. bad for the country. bad for the economy. let's make clear, definitive decisions. you lost. let's come together and co
conservatives for their debt ceiling hostage tactics. today it was the editors of the national review who said it was a bad idea. americans for prosperity, which is backed by, yes, the koch brothers, also said it was a bad idea. even newt gingrich, the rotund king of so many boad ideas, has said enough. >> in the end it's a threat they can't sustain. no one is going to defall. no one is going to allow the united states to not pay its bills. >> joining us now from washington is david corn, d.c. bureau chief for "mother jones" magazine and jared bernstein is a senior fellow at the center on budget and policy priorities. good afternoon to both of you. jared, if president obama were the one holding the debt ceiling hostage, right as the housing, auto, and retail sectors seem to be rebounding, wouldn't the house republicans be calling the president's tactics those of a socialist who wanted to bring down the american economy? >> i think they would, and i appreciate your bringing the economy into it. the president did that yesterday. the more we talk about the debt ceiling after obsessing over the fi
are huddling in southern virginia. to come up with a strategy over the drama over the debt ceiling. continuing resolution and sequester cuts. one of them admits it's a tough situation for them. >> there is no celebration in the fact we are a nation of $16 trillion in debt. you have somebody in the white house that says to do the one thing that makes no sense whatsoever. that is raise the debt creeling with no change in the future. that is absurd argument. >> let's get more on the republican messaging from senior political analyst. brit hume. good evening. >> hi, bret. >> the house republicans are not wrong to seek spending cut to allow borrowing by a treasury more than $16 trillion in debt. but in politics it's not enough to be right. you need to be effective. it requires recognition that politics is a team sport and being united is critical. this is true if the party controls one house of congress and the other party not only has the other one but the white house as well. consider what happened in the recent fiscal cliff end game. taxes were set to go up by law on january 1. some house republ
up and the debt ceiling talks of 2011 led to a budget standoff between democrats and republicans who had taken back control of the house in the mid-terms. >> is there a risk that the united states could lose its triple-a credit rating, yes or no? >> no risk of that. >> no risk. >> the debt ceiling was raised in august, the political fight and the spotlight on the count row's deficit and debt problems led s&p to downgrade the u.s. credit rating for the first time in history. >> geithner steered the major economic moves in the first term, now he's stepping down at treasury. the pick to replace him is jack lew, who has established a close relationship with the president. he is know chummy with the republicans on the hill after the debt ceiling negotiation. for that reason and other, his looming confirmation hearing could be bumpy. but if confirmed, lew will likely be dealing with the top issue in this second term, how to get the economy moving and addressing the count re's long-term fiscal problems. >> this is a president that is forced to grapple to the tenor of our times with the budg
, yes it probably would be. then of course is the debt ceiling vote. you see a lot of americans making noises about backing down from the debt ceiling fight. i know we're not here to talk about that, but it's interesting how the conventional wisdom has shifted on that. it's just another sign of the shifting sand. it all hinges on the american people turns. is he going to out to the country on his proposals? how much political capital is he going to put into it. if they feel pressure, he'll bring a vote. >> jennifer: i think he will too. to take you back not to the fiscal cliff but the debt ceiling issues that the republicans do seem to be going soft on. i do think one of the reasons why they went soft was because traditionally republican lobbying groups were coming out. i wonder if there are traditionally republican groups like law enforcement organizations, the police associations who might tend to be conservative, if they came out strong and spoke if the faith community came out strong and spoke, they may shake a little bit. let's talk about senator cruise thinks is going to happen a
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